Heavy D
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Post by Heavy D on Jun 22, 2011 13:34:31 GMT -5
ight, after looking around and talking to a buddy, why is that toyota is just being gay with their design, no RWD no AWD, no more turbo unless it is not USA, some cars are dumb, im sorry for most the ft-86 guys but i rather own a hyundai than a boxer motor, i know people looks more for the economy way but what about for others that looks into performance, yea some of the new V6 motors out there are good, but i kinda want more 4 cylinders to be a beast, not some big junk like a 2.4/2.5L motor that only makes the same as a 1.8L. the new lexus isnt even that great, i dont know why they call it a super car or what ever it is.
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Post by KING7thGen on Jun 22, 2011 13:51:16 GMT -5
It's all about economy cars Bro, There is more money they are making a reliable cars and gas saving cars anything else, in the long run toyota was will still be around . If you look up the average people, there are more poor then are rich. Making engines that can run good for the average person, and last more than 10 years. That is where the moneys at.
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Post by pinoyrollarida on Jul 13, 2011 1:20:44 GMT -5
just like how my tacoma 2.4l=140hp and my corolla 1.8l=135hp
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Post by Rinconrolla on Jul 13, 2011 5:26:08 GMT -5
In the long run toyotas vehicles are reliable and good on gas especailly in this shitty economy , I just wish they stop maing their cars all look the same and give it some real style
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Post by Wickedtoyz on Jul 13, 2011 8:21:02 GMT -5
never look at the max hp or max tq only. you need to pay attention to the power curve.
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Post by brian on Jul 13, 2011 8:22:44 GMT -5
Toyota dumped performance for economy dont expect much from this hyped FT-86 if it ever comes out. Toyota's main market is mileage Lexus LF-A is a supercar for what it is from the motor to the body, sure it aint the fastest of all sports car but its the engineering of it made it what it is
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Post by darkkgbwolf on Jul 13, 2011 8:32:30 GMT -5
well in the north american market mostly anyways. just like BMW and the M3 the european model is the crazy fast and the one here is just a 335 thats had exhaust done and a little engine tune and stuck with M badges everywhere. the problem is that most of the market here just dont care for driving fun and performance. IMO anyway lol
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Heavy D
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Post by Heavy D on Jul 13, 2011 10:16:58 GMT -5
yea but look at chevy and fords, or honda and nissan, they all have economy cars and high performance cars, even a fucking Hyundai is faster than a toyota, there should be no excuse about economy crises right now about fuel high MPG. there wont be a problem if there was a few cars with high power motors, im sorry that FT-86 is a waste of time, it looks like another LFA or w.e that car is with a junky wrx motor
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Post by brian on Jul 13, 2011 10:28:02 GMT -5
lets get S60r's
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Post by SlowRolla on Jul 13, 2011 11:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by darkkgbwolf on Jul 13, 2011 14:27:33 GMT -5
Your right if they were so worried about gas mileage the just put a low psi turbo on a 2.0 or 2.5 engine like vw Audi and Volvo do and that satisfies both ends if the spectrum
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Post by sk149 on Jul 13, 2011 15:14:39 GMT -5
Well they obviously weren't getting the amount of money they wanted that's why the supras mr2s celicas levins chasers soarars cressidas and all others I'm missing out disappeared but Toyota will be back soon with sports cars the ft86 is just the start of it
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Post by jaymeister on Jul 14, 2011 0:53:47 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. Why make us Toyota enthusiasts suffer. Hopefully they make a comeback..!
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Post by Heavy D on Jul 14, 2011 8:31:59 GMT -5
Well they obviously weren't getting the amount of money they wanted that's why the supras mr2s celicas levins chasers soarars cressidas and all others I'm missing out disappeared but Toyota will be back soon with sports cars the ft86 is just the start of it FT86 is not a toyota with out a toyota motor, they have a subaru POS boxer motor, its like me putting a 2jz in a bmw or that red camaro on you tube, its not the same, plus i would laugh so hard if that boxer motor they put in sounds like a blown head gasket, its the most ugliest sound i ever heard, plus the blocks are weak on them, i heard you have to do serious mods on a WRX to get tons of power, and i believe it too cause a buddy of mine went though 3 motors cause they are weak
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Post by cevax on Jul 14, 2011 9:31:34 GMT -5
It will be the scion ft86, Toyota followed the money and the money is in economy cars and big ass trucks & suv's. Sport cars are becoming a niche market, and also the nail in the coffin was a little thing called scion. Car manufactures are releasing sport cars out of most people price range and when they do make an affordable one we get crap like this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MR2. They would have dropped a 2zzge it will be more of a machine. I dont know but it seems nowadays The magic number for a sport car is 300 horsepower and for a new car 300 horsepower doesn't exist for less than 30 thousand,,, 300 horse is not that big of deal to begin with, everything less than that we get a motor from a family sedan with 2 doors.
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Post by brian on Jul 14, 2011 10:31:59 GMT -5
Well they obviously weren't getting the amount of money they wanted that's why the supras mr2s celicas levins chasers soarars cressidas and all others I'm missing out disappeared but Toyota will be back soon with sports cars the ft86 is just the start of it FT86 is not a toyota with out a toyota motor, they have a subaru POS boxer motor, its like me putting a 2jz in a bmw or that red camaro on you tube, its not the same, plus i would laugh so hard if that boxer motor they put in sounds like a blown head gasket, its the most ugliest sound i ever heard, plus the blocks are weak on them, i heard you have to do serious mods on a WRX to get tons of power, and i believe it too cause a buddy of mine went though 3 motors cause they are weak 2JZ in a E30 is a better improvement sounds like ur buddy had a shyt tune to go thru 3 WRX has no power its the STI is the power maker
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Post by sk149 on Jul 14, 2011 10:34:45 GMT -5
Yeah I get you but it's probably because Toyota didn't want to invest to much money on a sports car since they haven't had one specially rwd for while so they did this and if it is successful and people buy it then I'm sure there will be more to come
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Post by cevax on Jul 14, 2011 10:43:23 GMT -5
Why not come out with something home bred instead of paying Subaru to build it for them. Another thing also with scion is that its marketed to the fast and the furious crowd, the type that like cars with the cheesy interior and blinking speakers. The car will sell of course at first, I am not saying it wont but I dont see toyota making this triumphant return.
Its not just Toyota also, btw, honda dropped the ball a long time ago also
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Post by Heavy D on Jul 14, 2011 10:52:18 GMT -5
well honda still has there k20/24 which those motors are pretty good in a way
as for my buddy, it was tuned, just a big POS, valves went, motor turbo, same with another buddy, had the non STI version but put in a better motor, still a POS and its slow and sounds ugly.
and lexus has powerful V8 motors and a strong ass V6, why not make a good toyota motor with a toyota name, they could do it, but they are just too worried about what other thinks, i could care less for a scion tc, shit is slow anyways, my tercel could beat one, and then adding a turbo only adds another 100hp, to me its a waste of time, the only modern motor that is good for a N/A was the 2zzge. they need to start making AWD/RWD cars again, with good turbo motors and high revving N/A motors.
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Post by cevax on Jul 14, 2011 12:30:05 GMT -5
Yea i dont see that happening
The economy boxes and the prius are just bringing a lot of cash. They will concentrate on that,,
As far as honda.. well yea but what did the kseries change? They had the bseries, high reving, no torque and 200hp weak bottoms Replaced for the Kseries for 200hp, no torque weak bottoms and more money..... Yea its more of the same.
You are right about the lexus v6 and v8, if ta 4 cylinder is not turbo or supercharged its just not really worth it in any modern sports car application. I can play with the RSX and the Celica and they have the same exact amount of power as me and less weight. N/A needs more pistons
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